Comments on: Obama Says bin Laden Deserves Habeas Corpus Rights

By: alacritous

alacritous — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:35:28 +0000

> At the end of the day though bin Laden poses a unique case that does not
> necessarily afford him the right to American style due process and personal
> rights

That's all I needed to know.

By: Election Geek

Election Geek — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:32:37 +0000

We are talking about the law not a philosophical judgment. At this point there is already a presidential order, which Obama seems to suggest he will not rescind, to kill bin Laden on sight. So it is likely we will never have a trial. There are also better ways of dealing with it quickly and efficiently and more securely, but allowing the United Nations to setup a tribunal.

At the end of the day though bin Laden poses a unique case that does not necessarily afford him the right to American style due process and personal rights.

By: alacritous

alacritous — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:19:27 +0000

Woops I could have sworn there was an E there.

Anyways, he's still human isn't he?

It comes down to this, If you're for human rights, everyone gets them. All of them.

If you're against human rights, or wish to apply them selectively or when you feel like it, then they mean nothing, and in the long run you are going to be no better than the Taliban or Bin Laden.

It's your call.

By: Election Geek

Election Geek — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:06:15 +0000

Writ = "a formal written order issued by a body with administrative or judicial jurisdiction. In modern usage, this public body is normally a court. Warrants, prerogative writs, and subpoenas are types of writs, but there are many others."

I think it is pretty clear Osama bin Laden is responsible for 9/11 as well as a host of other despicable acts.

Remember too bin Laden is currently not a citizen of any nation, Saudi Arabia stripped him of his citizenship.

By: alacritous

alacritous — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:43:15 +0000

Right not write.

Habeas Corpus is considered a "universal right" under most western legal systems. It is a basic tenet of the UN's Charter of human rights.

Sure, everyone thinks he did it. but if you're going to kill someone for committing a crime, then you had better be damn sure you're getting the right guy. That's the whole point of habeas corpus. anything less is a mob mentality and I think we're beyond that.

By: Election Geek

Election Geek — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:20:40 +0000

1) Habeas not Habeus
2) While the United States by no means invented the Writ we are concerned with American law because Senator Obama is not the Prime Minister of England but seeking the presidency of the United States. It appears Senator Obama and his advisers, who are invoking the Supreme Court decision in relation to bin Laden's rights, is also suggesting he will be tried within the American legal system. This is counter to the history of the Nuremberg trials.

By: alacritous

alacritous — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:41:28 +0000

this article is so full of fail it's not funny.

Habeus corpus is not an american law. It has existed since before the magna carta was signed, 800 or so years ago.
You are stupid